spending. that's what we need to focus on, not raising taxes on the american people and of course, obama's tax increases are there, but he hasn't put any spending restraint on the table. we look forward to seeing what he might be thinking of. >> mr. norquist, if you had to put money on it, do you think we're going to go over that cliff? >> well, it depends. i think if we can have these negotiations in front of c-span cameras, not in hiding, this is what the president promised four years ago he would do. he's not yet done it. let's get the c-span cameras in there. two, whatever they agree to should be put online for the american people, not just the lobbyists in washington, but the american people so they can see it for seven days before anybody's asked to vote for it. if we have transparency and honesty, we'll have a much better end deal. >> is that going to happen? i'm going to quote you on this. this is your wish list. is that going to happen? >> that's not going to happen. >> actually, i think it will happen. the good news is the president is on a sugar high from winning the election.